Had a user indicate they could not figure out how to exit editor.

Went to user configuration, and selected No for external editor.

When trying to enter /? there was no response

E-mail (User name or number): amr Just went to next line (tried to cut-n-paste capture but didn't work above).

The /s command did work, but /? did not result in expected help menu.
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Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Amessyroom to All on Wed Oct 09 2024 04:59 am

Had a user indicate they could not figure out how to exit editor.

Went to user configuration, and selected No for external editor.

When trying to enter /? there was no response

E-mail (User name or number): amr
Just went to next line (tried to cut-n-paste capture but didn't work above).

The /s command did work, but /? did not result in expected help menu.

Maybe you were in raw I/O mode at the time?
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Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Digital Man to Amessyroom on Wed Oct 09 2024 12:08 pm

Re: /? not working in non-external editor By: Amessyroom to All on Wed Oct 09 2024 04:59 am

Had a user indicate they could not figure out how to exit editor.

Went to user configuration, and selected No for external editor.

When trying to enter /? there was no response

E-mail (User name or number): amr
Just went to next line (tried to cut-n-paste capture but didn't work
above).

The /s command did work, but /? did not result in expected help menu.

Maybe you were in raw I/O mode at the time? --
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How would I determine this ? I was connected via SyncTerm I believe, if not it was ftelnet. I'll repeat the action i both.

I enter text on first line , and /? on second line in either syncterm or ftelnet connected to my bbs. toolazy.synchro.net:2323 and it returns to next line without help displayed.
I type /s on 3rd line and it saves message successfully.
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On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 16:17:26 -0400
"Amessyroom" (VERT/TL-QWK) <VERT/TL-QWK!Amessyroom@endofthelinebbs.com>
wrote:

Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Digital Man to Amessyroom on Wed Oct 09 2024 12:08 pm

Re: /? not working in non-external editor By: Amessyroom to All
on Wed Oct 09 2024 04:59 am

Had a user indicate they could not figure out how to exit editor.

Went to user configuration, and selected No for external editor.

When trying to enter /? there was no response

E-mail (User name or number): amr
Just went to next line (tried to cut-n-paste capture but didn't
work above).

The /s command did work, but /? did not result in expected help
menu.

Maybe you were in raw I/O mode at the time? --
digital man (rob)

How would I determine this ? I was connected via SyncTerm I
believe, if not it was ftelnet. I'll repeat the action i both.

I enter text on first line , and /? on second line in either syncterm
or ftelnet connected to my bbs. toolazy.synchro.net:2323 and it
returns to next line without help displayed. I type /s on 3rd line
and it saves message successfully.

The problem appears to be that if a new users selects to change their
default editor, it's using the old default to send a message to the
sysop. It's still using FSEditor.

Once you get into the BBS and then send a message, then you get the
internal editor. Seems like a bug to me in that the login process isn't re-reading the editor if it's changed. I would file a git bug report.
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Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Amessyroom to Digital Man on Wed Oct 09 2024 04:17 pm

The /s command did work, but /? did not result in expected help menu.

Maybe you were in raw I/O mode at the time? --
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How would I determine this ?

Hitting Ctrl-Z (while not in an editor), toggles raw I/O mode. When entering a message in raw I/O mode, you get an introduction text like this:
Raw message input (2673000 bytes max). Ctrl-Z to save, Ctrl-C to abort.

I was connected via SyncTerm I believe, if
not it was ftelnet. I'll repeat the action i both.

I doubt the terminal is a factor.

I enter text on first line , and /? on second line in either syncterm or ftelnet connected to my bbs. toolazy.synchro.net:2323 and it returns to next line without help displayed.
I type /s on 3rd line and it saves message successfully.

Maybe you weren't actually using the internal line editor. Share a screen capture to help us see what you're seeing.
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: nelgin to All on Thu Oct 10 2024 02:53 am

The problem appears to be that if a new users selects to change their default editor, it's using the old default to send a message to the
sysop. It's still using FSEditor.

Ah, that's good to know. I didn't even know that FSEditor supports/recognizes the '/s' command. I'll have to try that.

Once you get into the BBS and then send a message, then you get the
internal editor. Seems like a bug to me in that the login process isn't re-reading the editor if it's changed. I would file a git bug report.

A 'gitlab issue'. There's actually no such thing as a 'git bug report'. :-)

I'll see if I can reproduce this.
/s
/s
hmm... /s doesn't seem to save and exit in FSeditor (as I expected), as was being reported by amessyroom. Are you sure that's what's going on?
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: nelgin to All on Thu Oct 10 2024 02:53 am

On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 16:17:26 -0400
"Amessyroom" (VERT/TL-QWK) <VERT/TL-QWK!Amessyroom@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:

Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Digital Man to Amessyroom on Wed Oct 09 2024 12:08 pm

Re: /? not working in non-external editor By: Amessyroom to All
on Wed Oct 09 2024 04:59 am

Had a user indicate they could not figure out how to exit editor.

Went to user configuration, and selected No for external editor.

When trying to enter /? there was no response

E-mail (User name or number): amr
Just went to next line (tried to cut-n-paste capture but didn't
work above).

The /s command did work, but /? did not result in expected help
menu.

Maybe you were in raw I/O mode at the time? --
digital man (rob)

How would I determine this ? I was connected via SyncTerm I
believe, if not it was ftelnet. I'll repeat the action i both.

I enter text on first line , and /? on second line in either syncterm
or ftelnet connected to my bbs. toolazy.synchro.net:2323 and it
returns to next line without help displayed. I type /s on 3rd line
and it saves message successfully.

The problem appears to be that if a new users selects to change their default editor, it's using the old default to send a message to the
sysop. It's still using FSEditor.

Once you get into the BBS and then send a message, then you get the
internal editor. Seems like a bug to me in that the login process isn't re-reading the editor if it's changed. I would file a git bug report.
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Thanks for testing things on my BBS. But I actually had not encountered, it defaulting to fseditor. I'll try and create a new account and see if I
have that issue.

In my sysop account, I have changed to non-external editor and it will not accept /? like 80% of the time, but 100% will accept /s on a blank line.

I've tested the /? with syncterm and ftelnet
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Amessyroom to nelgin on Thu Oct 10 2024 10:34 am

Thanks for testing things on my BBS. But I actually had not encountered, it defaulting to fseditor. I'll try and create a new account and see if I
have that issue.

In my sysop account, I have changed to non-external editor and it will not accept /? like 80% of the time, but 100% will accept /s on a blank line.

I think there's some confusion about what editor you're actually using. The internal line editor (not a full screen editor) displays the following banner when entering a message:

Enter message now (33000 lines max). Type /? on a new line for menu. ----+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--

If you're not seeing that, then you're not using the internal line editor, but rather a different editor. The internal line editor supports /? and /S commands.

fseditor.js displays "FSeditor" on the bottom line of the terminal when entering/editing a message and does *not* support /? or /S commands (it uses Ctrl-key combinations for these fucctions).

I've tested the /? with syncterm and ftelnet

The question is: using what editor? Not all editor recognize /? as a valid command. I don't think the terminal used makes any difference.
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Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Digital Man to Amessyroom on Thu Oct 10 2024 11:49 am

Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Amessyroom to Digital Man on Wed Oct 09 2024 04:17 pm

The /s command did work, but /? did not result in expected help menu. > >

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How would I determine this ?

Hitting Ctrl-Z (while not in an editor), toggles raw I/O mode. When entering > Raw message input (2673000 bytes max). Ctrl-Z to save, Ctrl-C to abort.

I was connected via SyncTerm I believe, if
not it was ftelnet. I'll repeat the action i both.

I doubt the terminal is a factor.

I enter text on first line , and /? on second line in either syncterm or ftelnet connected to my bbs. toolazy.synchro.net:2323 and it returns to n > > line without help displayed.
I type /s on 3rd line and it saves message successfully.

Maybe you weren't actually using the internal line editor. Share a screen ca > --
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Sorry non-external editor without help, not easy to edit :-( http://toolazy.synchro.net:3333/en/bbs/non-external-editor
see if this URL works for screen capture?
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Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Amessyroom to Digital Man on Thu Oct 10 2024 06:17 pm

http://toolazy.synchro.net:3333/en/bbs/non-external-editor
see if this URL works for screen capture?

Nope.

No connection at TCP port 3333 at toolazy.synchro.net:
$ nc toolazy.synchro.net 3333
Ncat: Connection refused.
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Digital Man to Amessyroom on Thu Oct 10 2024 12:26 pm

I think there's some confusion about what editor you're actually using. The internal line editor (not a full screen editor) displays the following banner when entering a message:

Enter message now (33000 lines max). Type /? on a new line for menu. ----+ ---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--

If you're not seeing that, then you're not using the internal line editor, but rather a different editor. The internal line editor supports /? and /S

I'm seeing the above header. The wiki.js instance I setup to put the screen captures i died; I'm runnig it in a tmux session so hopefully it will stay online; so the previous url will let you see my screen captures

http://toolazy.synchro.net:3333/en/bbs/non-external-editor

Here it is again.

Nelgin has identified another issue. That if you login as a new user. Change external editor to None; and proceed to do feedback as new user requiremet is uses FSEDITor overriding the user selected option.
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Amessyroom to Digital Man on Thu Oct 10 2024 10:12 pm

Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Digital Man to Amessyroom on Thu Oct 10 2024 12:26 pm

I think there's some confusion about what editor you're actually using. The internal line editor (not a full screen editor) displays the following banner when entering a message:

Enter message now (33000 lines max). Type /? on a new line for menu. ----+ ---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+- --+---+--

If you're not seeing that, then you're not using the internal line editor, but rather a different editor. The internal line editor supports /? and /S

I'm seeing the above header. The wiki.js instance I setup to put the screen captures i died; I'm runnig it in a tmux session so hopefully it will stay online; so the previous url will let you see my screen captures

http://toolazy.synchro.net:3333/en/bbs/non-external-editor

Here it is again.

Okay, yup, that's the internal/line editor.

The '/?' command in the internal editor display the contents of your "editor" menu/display file (by default, from the text/menu directory).

What are the contents of your text/menu/editor.asc file? Do you have any other editor.* files in the text directory tree? Have you created or edited any of these files?

Nelgin has identified another issue. That if you login as a new user. Change external editor to None; and proceed to do feedback as new user requiremet is uses FSEDITor overriding the user selected option.

That issue has been fixed in Git as of today.
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Digital Man to nelgin on Thu Oct 10 2024 11:53 am

I'll see if I can reproduce this.
/s
/s
hmm... /s doesn't seem to save and exit in FSeditor (as I expected), as was being reported by amessyroom. Are you sure that's what's going on?

amessyroom is talking about the built in editor.
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Amessyroom to nelgin on Thu Oct 10 2024 10:34 am

Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: nelgin to All on Thu Oct 10 2024 02:53 am

On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 16:17:26 -0400
"Amessyroom" (VERT/TL-QWK) <VERT/TL-QWK!Amessyroom@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:

Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Digital Man to Amessyroom on Wed Oct 09 2024 12:08 pm

Re: /? not working in non-external editor By: Amessyroom to All
on Wed Oct 09 2024 04:59 am

Had a user indicate they could not figure out how to exit editor.

Went to user configuration, and selected No for external editor.

When trying to enter /? there was no response

i siged up for a new account

"[T] Terminal Mode : Auto CP437 / ANSI (color) (mouse)
[L] Terminal Dimensions : Auto 80 columns, Auto 24 rows
[K] Command Shell : Synchronet (Classic)
[I] Language : English
[E] External Editor : Deuce's FSEditor "


i am using fseditor v1.105

"Subj: New User Validation
To : Amessyroom
From: Jas Hud ········■·······|·······■·······|·······■·······|·······■·······|·······■······|

hello!

















FSEditor v1.105 - Type CTRL-K for help Insert Mode Current Colour "



for help you do CTRL-K

"Subj: New User Validation
To : Amessyroom
From: Jas Hud ········■·······|·······■·······|·······■·······|·······■·······|·······■······|
Editing keys:
CTRL-@ - Change Colour CTRL-P - Page Up
CTRL-A - Change Colour CTRL-Q - Quick Abort (no save)
CTRL-B - Move to beginning of line CTRL-R - Redraw screen
CTRL-C - Center line on screen CTRL-S - Edit Subject
CTRL-E - Move to end of line CTRL-T - Adjust Tab Width
CTRL-F - Move right one character CTRL-U - Enter quote mode
CTRL-G - Enter graphic character CTRL-V - Toggle insert mode
CTRL-H - Backspace (BACKSPACE) CTRL-W - Delete word backwards
CTRL-I - Move to next tabstop (TAB) CTRL-Y - Delete Line
CTRL-J - Move down one line CTRL-Z - Save message and exit
CTRL-K - Show This Help CTRL-\ - Edit Subject
CTRL-L - Insert Line CTRL-] - Move left one character
CTRL-M - Carriage Return CTRL-^ - Move up one line
CTRL-N - Page Down CTRL-_ - Quick Abort (no save)

Press any key to return to editing.. "



saved with ctrl-z

you do not save with /s with deuce's editor
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Digital Man to Amessyroom on Thu Oct 10 2024 09:06 pm

Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Digital Man to Amessyroom on Thu Oct 10 2024 12:26 pm

I think there's some confusion about what editor you're actually using. The internal line editor (not a full screen editor) displays the following banner when entering a message:

Enter message now (33000 lines max). Type /? on a new line for menu. ----+ ---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+- --+---+--

If you're not seeing that, then you're not using the internal line

if you look at his screenshot you will see that he's turning on raw mode so you were right about that.

and he's typing /? test /s when it says ctrl-z to save
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: MRO to Digital Man on Fri Oct 11 2024 12:09 am

if you look at his screenshot you will see that he's turning on raw mode so you were right about that.

and he's typing /? test /s when it says ctrl-z to save

Um, no, he did both ways (raw mode and the internal/line editor). There's something else up with why his editor.* file isn't being displayed by the /? command in the built-in editor.
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Digital Man to MRO on Thu Oct 10 2024 10:45 pm

Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: MRO to Digital Man on Fri Oct 11 2024 12:09 am

if you look at his screenshot you will see that he's turning on raw mode so you were right about that.

and he's typing /? test /s when it says ctrl-z to save

Um, no, he did both ways (raw mode and the internal/line editor). There's something else up with why his editor.* file isn't being displayed by the /? command in the built-in editor.

well i made an account on his bbs and then switched and it's showing it
this is the built in editor.

https://i.imgur.com/qkLpgvh.png
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Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Digital Man to Amessyroom on Thu Oct 10 2024 07:00 pm

Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Amessyroom to Digital Man on Thu Oct 10 2024 06:17 pm

http://toolazy.synchro.net:3333/en/bbs/non-external-editor
see if this URL works for screen capture?

Nope.

No connection at TCP port 3333 at toolazy.synchro.net:
$ nc toolazy.synchro.net 3333
Ncat: Connection refused.
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Try again. I restarted it and hopefully daemon will not die. Wasn't able to get it working systemd yet.
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Digital Man to MRO on Thu Oct 10 2024 10:45 pm

Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: MRO to Digital Man on Fri Oct 11 2024 12:09 am

if you look at his screenshot you will see that he's turning on raw mode so you were right about that.

and he's typing /? test /s when it says ctrl-z to save

Um, no, he did both ways (raw mode and the internal/line editor). There's something else up with why his editor.* file isn't being displayed by the /? command in the built-in editor.

Here are timestamps and contents of editor.asc Too my knowledge they have not been modified.


sbbs@vmi1943160 menu]$ ls -l *edit*
-rw-r--r-- 1 sbbs sbbs 591 Jun 17 20:14 editor.asc
-rw-r--r-- 1 sbbs sbbs 1859 Jun 17 20:14 uedit.asc
[sbbs@vmi1943160 menu]$ cat editor.asc
hy@CENTER@Synchronet Message Editor Commands
n
h/? nThis Menu
h/S nSave Message (You're Done)
h/L nList Message
h/Lx nList Message from Line x
h/E nEdit Last Line
h/Ex nEdit Line x
h/D nDelete Last Line
h/Dx nDelete Line x
h/I nInsert Line Before Last
h/Ix nInsert Line Before Line x
h/T nEdit Message Subject

h/ABT nAbort Message
h/CLR nClear Message (Start Over)
h/UPLOAD nSend Message Text File
h/ATTR nMenu of Text Attribute Codes
h^K nMenu of Line Editing Commands
n[sbbs@vmi1943160 menu
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: MRO to Digital Man on Fri Oct 11 2024 03:25 am

Um, no, he did both ways (raw mode and the internal/line editor). There's something else up with why his editor.* file isn't being displayed by the /? command in the built-in editor.

well i made an account on his bbs and then switched and it's showing it
this is the built in editor.

https://i.imgur.com/qkLpgvh.png

Thanks for testing on the bbs. It has worked for me. But about 80% of the time /? will not work where /s does work.

I got your feedback regarding error in a logon script. I'll investigate that issue. Don't know if it is related, but I call a shell script that makes the
following call to announce new logins to a matrix channel.
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Amessyroom to MRO on Fri Oct 11 2024 05:37 am

Thanks for testing on the bbs. It has worked for me. But about 80% of the time /? will not work where /s does work.

I got your feedback regarding error in a logon script. I'll investigate that

well i did it a bunch of times and it was pulling up the help menu.
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Amessyroom to MRO on Fri Oct 11 2024 05:37 am

Thanks for testing on the bbs. It has worked for me. But about 80% of the ti > /? will not work where /s does work.

Are you maybe hitting a space after /? and before hitting the enter key? What about other commands (e.g. /l, /abt) - are you seeing any weird behavior with them?

"/s " (space after /s) also does not work, so I'm really not sure what you're doing different from others.
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Amessyroom to MRO on Fri Oct 11 2024 05:37 am

I got your feedback regarding error in a logon script. I'll investigate that issue. Don't know if it is related, but I call a shell script that makes the following call to announce new logins to a matrix channel.

Referring to the following error (seen while logging in as Guest to your BBS)? !JavaScript DDLoginMatrix.js line 391: ReferenceError: assignment to undeclared variable loggedOn

Yeah, I see it too. It should be in your error.log file as well.
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: MRO to Amessyroom on Fri Oct 11 2024 01:47 pm

well i did it a bunch of times and it was pulling up the help menu.

I created an account on his board too and the /? menu in the internal editor wokred for me too, every time.
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Digital Man to Amessyroom on Fri Oct 11 2024 12:10 pm

Referring to the following error (seen while logging in as Guest to your BBS)? !JavaScript DDLoginMatrix.js line 391: ReferenceError: assignment to undeclared variable loggedOn

I think you must be using an older version of DDLoginMatrix. I remember seeing that at one point and fixing it; and I don't get that error when logging into my BBS as guest.

You can download the latest version from this page: http://www.digitaldistortionbbs.com/?page=002-files.xjs&dir=bbsfile_sync_js

Direct link (will have to join the 2 lines into 1 due to line wrapping): http://www.digitaldistortionbbs.com/api/files.ssjs?call=download-file&dir=bbsfi le_sync_js&file=DDLM_126.zip

Nightfox

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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Nightfox to Amessyroom on Fri Oct 11 2024 12:40 pm

Direct link (will have to join the 2 lines into 1 due to line wrapping): htt p://www.digitaldistortionbbs.com/api/files.ssjs?call=download-file&dir=bbsfi le_sync_js&file=DDLM_126.zip

One of the benefits of using the built-in file area access in the SBBS v3.20a web server is shorter URLs, e.g.
https://vert.synchro.net/files/Main/SBBS_3RD/DDLM_126.zip

and with ctrl/web_alias.ini, you can make them even shorter if you like.

For more info, see File Index Script at https://wiki.synchro.net/server:web
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Digital Man to Amessyroom on Fri Oct 11 2024 12:23 pm

Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: MRO to Amessyroom on Fri Oct 11 2024 01:47 pm

well i did it a bunch of times and it was pulling up the help menu.

I created an account on his board too and the /? menu in the internal editor wokred for me too, every time.

I was able to reproduce the issue on your BBS by switching your "Default" command shell (not the normal default, the Sychronet Classic Shell, but something you created apparently).

My guess is that you have a sub-directory of text/menu for your shell's menus and you're setting the global menu directory (PCMS global variable or JS bbs object property) in your shell to that directory, but you don't have a copy of editor.* in that directory.

You need to copy all the menu files to your custom sub-directory if you're going to be globally changing the menu directory in your shell.
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Digital Man to Amessyroom on Fri Oct 11 2024 03:30 pm

I was able to reproduce the issue on your BBS by switching your "Default" command shell (not the normal default, the Sychronet Classic Shell, but something you created apparently).

My guess is that you have a sub-directory of text/menu for your shell's menus and you're setting the global menu directory (PCMS global variable or JS bbs object property) in your shell to that directory, but you don't have a copy of editor.* in that directory.

BTW, a recent commit to the sbbs git repo master branch (where v3.20a currently lives), would log an error in this condition, giving you (the sysop) a good indication of where the problem is. Try upgrading your copy of v3.20a to the latest first.
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Digital Man to Amessyroom on Fri Oct 11 2024 12:10 pm

Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Amessyroom to MRO on Fri Oct 11 2024 05:37 am

I got your feedback regarding error in a logon script. I'll investigate that issue. Don't know if it is related, but I call a shell script that makes the following call to announce new logins to a matrix channel.

Referring to the following error (seen while logging in as Guest to your BBS)? !JavaScript DDLoginMatrix.js line 391: ReferenceError: assignment to undeclared variable loggedOn

Yeah, I see it too. It should be in your error.log file as well.

no i got an error msg about it not having arguments

https://imgur.com/uWJFDZ8

that's what i reported to him.
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: MRO to Digital Man on Sat Oct 12 2024 12:27 am

Referring to the following error (seen while logging in as Guest to your BBS)? !JavaScript DDLoginMatrix.js line 391: ReferenceError: assignment to undeclared variable loggedOn

Yeah, I see it too. It should be in your error.log file as well.

no i got an error msg about it not having arguments

Ah, something else.
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: Digital Man to Amessyroom on Fri Oct 11 2024 03:30 pm

My guess is that you have a sub-directory of text/menu for your shell's menus and you're setting the global menu directory (PCMS global variable or JS bbs object property) in your shell to that directory, but you don't have a copy of editor.* in that directory.

You need to copy all the menu files to your custom sub-directory if you're going to be globally changing the menu directory in your shell.
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You were correct. Once I copied the files into my custom text/menu directory the /? started working.
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Re: Re: /? not working in non-external editor
By: MRO to Digital Man on Sat Oct 12 2024 12:27 am

no i got an error msg about it not having arguments

https://imgur.com/uWJFDZ8

that's what i reported to him.

I fixed that. I had a script that used useralias, but I didn't quote the
user alias; so it was erroring out with "First Last" useralias.

I had tested with Amessyroom/Amr both one word. It is now working, and had seen it but didn't figure out it was until you notified me.

Thank you.
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