• Mail routing issues

    From David Gonzalez@21:3/188 to All on Tue Oct 22 08:04:25 2024

    Hello everybody!

    *not a very happy user follows*

    I am hgaving a ton on issues with mail routing and apparently, as per the book *it's my config*.

    I have setup everything as a normal person would do, checked the docs and I have 3 node addresses

    FSX: 21:3/188
    Fido: 3:633/2744.188
    Micronet: 618:500/67

    All have uplinks to a hub which sometimes works sometimes gives me *auth failed*, same details and all that.

    I setup golded with the following:

    // Your FTN-style address and akas.
    ADDRESS 21:3/188 ; FSX Net.
    AKA 3:633/2744.188 ; A sysop point.
    ;AKA 3:633/2744.188@fidonet.org ; A point address with domain ("5D").
    AKA 618:500/67 ; Micronet.

    FSX is the only thing working, micronet pols the system but my uplink very kindly tells me *it's your system I'm a massive hub and all works fine here, I don't belive how can you poll my system and you're showing your micronet AKA*

    FOrfido I get tons of automated messages telling me mail was rejected because this or that which by looking at my config don't make sense.

    You can sense my frusdtration and annoyance with all this, I mean it cannot be all my config and I'm sure of that,

    Note: *if your answer is not pointed to help, please dont't*. and I know this message may get read but probably not replied so...

    I'm giving this a last chance and I hope someone can point me in the right direction.

    Regards.

    David


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  • From Vorlon@21:1/195 to David Gonzalez on Wed Oct 23 11:18:36 2024

    Hello David!

    22 Oct 24 08:04, you wrote to all:

    I am hgaving a ton on issues with mail routing and apparently, as per
    the book *it's my config*.

    I have setup everything as a normal person would do, checked the docs
    and I have 3 node addresses

    FSX: 21:3/188
    Fido: 3:633/2744.188
    Micronet: 618:500/67
    [...]

    Post a log file sample and what your config setup is. Without that information no one will be able to help.




    Vorlon


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  • From David Gonzalez@21:3/188 to Vorlon on Wed Oct 23 21:28:40 2024

    Hello Vorlon!

    23 Oct 24 11:18, you wrote to me:


    Hello David!

    22 Oct 24 08:04, you wrote to all:

    I am hgaving a ton on issues with mail routing and apparently, as
    per the book *it's my config*.

    I have setup everything as a normal person would do, checked the
    docs and I have 3 node addresses

    FSX: 21:3/188
    Fido: 3:633/2744.188
    Micronet: 618:500/67
    [...]

    Post a log file sample and what your config setup is. Without that information no one will be able to help.

    I finally got it sorted out making some bad blood in the process ...

    I think I'm going to try EleBBS too, not ditching mystic but I've heard its BinkD implementation is buggy -- not said by me --

    I couln't find a good source of info or answer to my question on editing menus and translating them, but I'll leave that for another thread.


    David


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to David Gonzalez on Thu Oct 24 07:52:14 2024
    David Gonzalez wrote to Vorlon <=-

    I am hgaving a ton on issues with mail routing and apparently, as
    per the book *it's my config*.

    I have setup everything as a normal person would do, checked the
    docs and I have 3 node addresses

    FSX: 21:3/188
    Fido: 3:633/2744.188
    Micronet: 618:500/67
    [...]

    Post a log file sample and what your config setup is. Without that information no one will be able to help.

    I finally got it sorted out making some bad blood in the process ...

    So..... was it indeed your config, or something else? It's usually good
    to provide the solution to problems, so that the next person may not
    have to go through the same thing.



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  • From David Gonzalez@21:3/188 to Gamgee on Thu Oct 24 09:30:02 2024

    Hello Gamgee!

    24 Oct 24 07:52, you wrote to me:

    David Gonzalez wrote to Vorlon <=-

    I am hgaving a ton on issues with mail routing and apparently,
    as per the book *it's my config*.

    I have setup everything as a normal person would do, checked the
    docs and I have 3 node addresses

    FSX: 21:3/188
    Fido: 3:633/2744.188
    Micronet: 618:500/67
    [...]

    Post a log file sample and what your config setup is. Without
    that information no one will be able to help.

    I finally got it sorted out making some bad blood in the process
    ...

    So..... was it indeed your config, or something else? It's usually
    good to provide the solution to problems, so that the next person may
    not have to go through the same thing.

    Apparently but not my mistake but mystic's, it was sending my fiodomail with my fsx AKA and also I had an issue with Golded, I accidentally added a domain @fidonet.org (5D) and @fidonet to try to see if mail went through but it ended up being worse.

    I removed all of those from Golded and have not tried net/echo from mystic yet.

    Thanks


    David


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  • From StingRay@21:3/189 to David Gonzalez on Thu Oct 24 12:54:31 2024


    Hello Gamgee!

    24 Oct 24 07:52, you wrote to me:

    Apparently but not my mistake but mystic's, it was sending my fiodomail with my fsx AKA and also I had an issue with Golded, I accidentally added a domain @fidonet.org (5D) and @fidonet to try to see if mail went through but it ended up being worse.

    I removed all of those from Golded and have not tried net/echo from mystic yet.

    Thanks

    David

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    I would also consciously keep in mind, none of the people assisting are doing this as "their job" (i.e. they are NOT being paid).

    I have ran BBSs since the early 90's, and the community is like a brother-hood. While at (MANY) times there are moments of frustration, try to keep in mind that everyone wants to help.

    (my 2 cents) take it or leave it.

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  • From David Gonzalez@21:3/188 to StingRay on Thu Oct 24 17:08:42 2024

    Hello StingRay!

    24 Oct 24 12:54, you wrote to me:

    I removed all of those from Golded and have not tried net/echo from
    mystic yet.

    Thanks

    David


    I would also consciously keep in mind, none of the people assisting
    are doing this as "their job" (i.e. they are NOT being paid).

    Yup, that's what community support means, and don't get me wrong I won't trash or ask for support as somebody suggested, that's why I started looking for solutions myself.

    I have ran BBSs since the early 90's, and the community is like a brother-hood. While at (MANY) times there are moments of frustration,
    try to keep in mind that everyone wants to help.

    Even me, that's why I wrote about GoldED and how to fix some of the stuff I had going on.

    (my 2 cents) take it or leave it.

    That's how it is, indeed, don't worry thick skin.

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    David


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to David Gonzalez on Thu Oct 24 21:18:22 2024
    David Gonzalez wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I am hgaving a ton on issues with mail routing and apparently,
    as per the book *it's my config*.

    I have setup everything as a normal person would do, checked the
    docs and I have 3 node addresses

    FSX: 21:3/188
    Fido: 3:633/2744.188
    Micronet: 618:500/67

    Post a log file sample and what your config setup is. Without
    that information no one will be able to help.

    I finally got it sorted out making some bad blood in the process
    ...

    So..... was it indeed your config, or something else? It's usually
    good to provide the solution to problems, so that the next person may
    not have to go through the same thing.

    Apparently but not my mistake but mystic's, it was sending my fiodomail with my fsx AKA and also I had an issue with Golded, I accidentally
    added a domain @fidonet.org (5D) and @fidonet to try to see if mail
    went through but it ended up being worse.

    Well, I'd have to say that Mystic was only doing what you configured it
    to do... If it was sending Fido mail with the FSX AKA, it must have
    been because you configured it that way. There is no other explanation.

    Not sure how Golded would have affected that, and wondering why you'd
    even want to use that when just starting out. But that's your choice,
    and that's OK. Again config problems, though...

    I removed all of those from Golded and have not tried net/echo from
    mystic yet.

    I see. Well, good luck and hope it works. Thanks for the update.



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  • From deon@21:2/116 to David Gonzalez on Fri Oct 25 14:18:07 2024
    Re: Mail routing issues
    By: David Gonzalez to Gamgee on Thu Oct 24 2024 09:35 pm

    Howdy,

    No, I think it was something to do with my uplink too, I was presenting all my AKAs and it would reject mail, then I had to create separate events to poll with 1 AKA first, then the other, but yeah I get what you say and respect it.

    Nope, I dont think you are correct there.

    The suggestion to "hide AKAs" and poll individually was to ensure that presenting multiple AKAs wasnt affecting how I process your mail - since I process mail on the fly as it is received, based on the authenticated AKAs.

    As I explained to you via email/netmail - I wanted to illiminate if this code was the cause of the incorrect processing of mail (it wasnt). Its the first time I had a point address point being presented and that part of the code hasnt been tested. (I have other users collect mail from multiple networks, and they present all AKAs at the same time.)

    So, upon review your tosser (mystic) was packing messages with your FSXnet AKA when the message was destined to fidonet.

    Here is an example, a fidonet netmail packet 0cfcde35.pkt, received by you in mail bundle fd8af604.mo8, which your system sent at 21 Oct 2024 21:56:27 -0500:

    00000000 bc 00 b8 0a e8 07 09 00 15 00 15 00 38 00 19 00 |............8...| 00000010 00 00 02 00 03 00 79 02 fe 00 xx xx xx xx xx xx |......y...xxxxxx| 00000020 xx xx 15 00 03 00 00 00 00 01 fe 00 01 00 15 00 |xx..............| 00000030 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 bc 00 00 00 |................| 00000040 03 00 5c 00 03 01 00 00 32 31 20 4f 63 74 20 32 |..\.....21 Oct 2| 00000050 34 20 20 32 31 3a 35 35 3a 32 39 00 61 64 6d 69 |4 21:55:29.admi|

    This packet is from 0x0015:0x0003/0x00bc (21:3/188) to 0x0003:0x0279/0x0ab8 (3:633/2744) - and during that session you only presented your fido AKA.

    You can refer to the respective FTS document to understand the format of the packet.

    My system rejected the packet, because the source address, is not in the same domain as the target address (the domain was set to fidonet, because that's the address you authenticated with during the session). The INTL kludge was also incorrect.

    As I explained, you had configuration problem, which I think you might have fixed.


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  • From David Gonzalez@21:3/188 to Gamgee on Thu Oct 24 21:35:20 2024

    Hello Gamgee!

    24 Oct 24 21:18, you wrote to me:

    David Gonzalez wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I am hgaving a ton on issues with mail routing and apparently,
    as per the book *it's my config*.

    I have setup everything as a normal person would do, checked
    the docs and I have 3 node addresses

    FSX: 21:3/188
    Fido: 3:633/2744.188
    Micronet: 618:500/67

    Post a log file sample and what your config setup is. Without
    that information no one will be able to help.

    I finally got it sorted out making some bad blood in the process
    ...

    So..... was it indeed your config, or something else? It's
    usually good to provide the solution to problems, so that the
    next person may not have to go through the same thing.

    Apparently but not my mistake but mystic's, it was sending my
    fiodomail with my fsx AKA and also I had an issue with Golded, I
    accidentally added a domain @fidonet.org (5D) and @fidonet to try
    to see if mail went through but it ended up being worse.

    Well, I'd have to say that Mystic was only doing what you configured
    it to do... If it was sending Fido mail with the FSX AKA, it must
    have been because you configured it that way. There is no other explanation.

    No, I think it was something to do with my uplink too, I was presenting all my AKAs and it would reject mail, then I had to create separate events to poll with 1 AKA first, then the other, but yeah I get what you say and respect it.

    Not sure how Golded would have affected that, and wondering why you'd
    even want to use that when just starting out. But that's your choice,
    and that's OK. Again config problems, though...

    That was my setup back in the 90s, FD+Fastecho+RA+GoldED.

    I removed all of those from Golded and have not tried net/echo
    from mystic yet.

    I see. Well, good luck and hope it works. Thanks for the update.



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to David Gonzalez on Fri Oct 25 07:57:04 2024
    David Gonzalez wrote to Gamgee <=-

    So..... was it indeed your config, or something else? It's
    usually good to provide the solution to problems, so that the
    next person may not have to go through the same thing.

    Apparently but not my mistake but mystic's, it was sending my
    fiodomail with my fsx AKA and also I had an issue with Golded, I
    accidentally added a domain @fidonet.org (5D) and @fidonet to try
    to see if mail went through but it ended up being worse.

    Well, I'd have to say that Mystic was only doing what you configured
    it to do... If it was sending Fido mail with the FSX AKA, it must
    have been because you configured it that way. There is no other explanation.

    No, I think it was something to do with my uplink too, I was presenting all my AKAs and it would reject mail, then I had to create separate
    events to poll with 1 AKA first, then the other, but yeah I get what
    you say and respect it.

    I just read the post in this area from your uplink, and I strongly
    disagree with your claim. It clearly was your mis-configuration that
    caused the issues. Everyone else (including me) has multiple network
    AKAs, and don't have any problems with that.

    It's OK to admit that you had something mis-configured. Nobody here
    thinks less of you for that, as we've all done similar things. But continually trying to blame others for your own mistakes gives an
    entirely different impression...

    Not sure how Golded would have affected that, and wondering why you'd
    even want to use that when just starting out. But that's your choice,
    and that's OK. Again config problems, though...

    That was my setup back in the 90s, FD+Fastecho+RA+GoldED.

    OK, but this isn't the 90's, and you're not using ANY of that software
    now. You're using Mystic. At least in the beginning, when trying to
    get set up, keep things simple. That helps to avoid mis-configuration.
    :-)

    Good luck with things, and hope you stick around!


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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to David Gonzalez on Fri Oct 25 17:00:22 2024
    On Fri, Oct 25 02:35:20 -0500, you wrote:

    No, I think it was something to do with my uplink too, I was presenting all my AKAs and it would reject mail, then I had to create separate
    events to poll with 1 AKA first, then the other, but yeah I get what you say and respect it.

    For the record, and future reference:

    If you and your uplink have more than one matching zone number (ie: you are both in multiple, similar networks, whether linked via those networks or not) binkp's standard is to take the FIRST aka that matches.

    For example, if you both have a Fidonet zone 1 address, and you both have a FSX zone 21 address.. if the zone 1 address is listed first, when you poll your FSX uplink it will try to negotiate with the zone 1 address.

    Sometimes this gets in the way of doing what you want to do, however.. with Mystic you can do a couple things:

    1) Use the "Hide AKAs" option to only poll your uplink with the AKA you want it to poll with. This way your uplink's binkp server won't see your other AKAs.

    2) Setup the same (it must be the same) binkp session password to your uplink for every zone you both have. This way the first matching zone number that makes the negotiation will pass as secure.

    Note: Don't do both of the above options at the same time. One or the other.. or you will probably have a slew of other issues.

    HTH

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From David Gonzalez@21:3/188 to Accession on Fri Oct 25 21:12:40 2024

    Hello Accession!

    25 Oct 24 17:00, you wrote to me:

    Now for anyone watchin, this is a *great* response, someone willing to help.

    On Fri, Oct 25 02:35:20 -0500, you wrote:

    No, I think it was something to do with my uplink too, I was
    presenting all my AKAs and it would reject mail, then I had to
    create separate events to poll with 1 AKA first, then the other,
    but yeah I get what you say and respect it.

    For the record, and future reference:

    If you and your uplink have more than one matching zone number (ie:
    you are both in multiple, similar networks, whether linked via those networks or not) binkp's standard is to take the FIRST aka that
    matches.

    For example, if you both have a Fidonet zone 1 address, and you both
    have a FSX zone 21 address.. if the zone 1 address is listed first,
    when you poll your FSX uplink it will try to negotiate with the zone 1 address.

    Sometimes this gets in the way of doing what you want to do, however.. with Mystic you can do a couple things:
    1) Use the "Hide AKAs" option to only poll your uplink with the AKA
    you want it to poll with. This way your uplink's binkp server won't
    see your other AKAs.

    OK, I will have to do that because during my *own* digging, I turned it on and off to see if things worked, until *I* found that a combination of things helped me solve the issue.

    2) Setup the same (it must be the same) binkp session password to your uplink for every zone you both have. This way the first matching zone number that makes the negotiation will pass as secure.

    I do have this setup this exact same way, all passwords are the same for my uplink.

    Note: Don't do both of the above options at the same time. One or the other.. or you will probably have a slew of other issues.

    I will check and might have to change some of my setting and lean for option one, I checked and I *do* have the Hide AKAs ON for both links to Deon, might the same session password for both be disturbing my polls.

    I do have some issue when I *mis poll force*, first attempt which poll my uplink simultaneously using both AKAs, fails, when I issue the command a second time it goes trhough and I think that's exactly what you wisely mentioned.

    HTH

    Regards,
    Nick

    Thanks a million Nick

    David


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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to David Gonzalez on Sat Oct 26 08:23:40 2024
    On Sat, Oct 26 02:12:40 -0500, you wrote:

    Now for anyone watchin, this is a *great* response, someone willing to help.

    I replied to you multiple times when you had questions earlier about Mystic and/or Golded, but you only replied once. Maybe, whatever issues you were having caused you to miss some messages?

    OK, I will have to do that because during my *own* digging, I turned it
    on and off to see if things worked, until *I* found that a combination
    of things helped me solve the issue.

    I do have this setup this exact same way, all passwords are the same for my uplink.

    This is generally just a safe precaution to do, depending on what software you're connecting to. Some are more strict than others when it comes to this.

    I will check and might have to change some of my setting and lean for option one, I checked and I *do* have the Hide AKAs ON for both links to Deon, might the same session password for both be disturbing my polls.

    See below. It sounds like you're using Deon for two networks, so when using "mis poll force" it will poll him twice at the exact same time, which could very well cause an issue when trying to authenticate.

    I do have some issue when I *mis poll force*, first attempt which poll
    my uplink simultaneously using both AKAs, fails, when I issue the
    command a second time it goes trhough and I think that's exactly what
    you wisely mentioned.

    You can try different methods as well, like try /not/ using "mis poll force", if you can. Try setting up separate timed events (which you can stagger 10 minutes apart of something) for each network callout, and use "mis poll <node>" instead. This will separate the polls so that no confusion can be made as to which node number you're using, or connecting to.

    Early on, I always had issues with the "force" option as well, but then again, when I have Mystic running, it polls my hub for 4-5 networks. So running "force" would basically connect to myself and try to authenticate 4-5 times, at the same time.. which never worked well. Creating a separate poll for each network is what worked for me.

    I imagine the "force" option works much better if you had /different/ uplinks. For example, you had 3 networks, 3 separate uplinks. "mis poll force" would connect to all three of them at the same time and get your mail for each network. I just don't think it works as well when you have 2 or more networks with the same uplink.

    Thanks a million Nick

    No problem! Enjoy the hobby!

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From David Gonzalez@21:3/188 to Accession on Sun Oct 27 22:18:17 2024

    Hello Accession!

    26 Oct 24 08:23, you wrote to me:

    On Sat, Oct 26 02:12:40 -0500, you wrote:

    Now for anyone watchin, this is a *great* response, someone
    willing to help.

    I replied to you multiple times when you had questions earlier about Mystic and/or Golded, but you only replied once. Maybe, whatever
    issues you were having caused you to miss some messages?

    OK, I will have to do that because during my *own* digging, I
    turned it on and off to see if things worked, until *I* found
    that a combination of things helped me solve the issue.

    I do have this setup this exact same way, all passwords are the
    same for my uplink.

    This is generally just a safe precaution to do, depending on what
    software you're connecting to. Some are more strict than others when
    it comes to this.

    I will check and might have to change some of my setting and lean
    for option one, I checked and I *do* have the Hide AKAs ON for
    both links to Deon, might the same session password for both be
    disturbing my polls.

    See below. It sounds like you're using Deon for two networks, so when using "mis poll force" it will poll him twice at the exact same time, which could very well cause an issue when trying to authenticate.

    I do have some issue when I *mis poll force*, first attempt which
    poll my uplink simultaneously using both AKAs, fails, when I
    issue the command a second time it goes trhough and I think
    that's exactly what you wisely mentioned.

    You can try different methods as well, like try /not/ using "mis poll force", if you can. Try setting up separate timed events (which you
    can stagger 10 minutes apart of something) for each network callout,
    and use "mis poll <node>" instead. This will separate the polls so
    that no confusion can be made as to which node number you're using, or connecting to.

    Early on, I always had issues with the "force" option as well, but
    then again, when I have Mystic running, it polls my hub for 4-5
    networks. So running "force" would basically connect to myself and try
    to authenticate 4-5 times, at the same time.. which never worked well. Creating a separate poll for each network is what worked for me.

    I imagine the "force" option works much better if you had /different/ uplinks. For example, you had 3 networks, 3 separate uplinks. "mis
    poll force" would connect to all three of them at the same time and
    get your mail for each network. I just don't think it works as well
    when you have 2 or more networks with the same uplink.

    I run mis server, so when it *poll force*, it does as you say, I will change my events to poll Deon's exacat uplink address to avoid having to poll multiple times to get it done.

    *Thanks a million Nick--again*

    No problem! Enjoy the hobby!

    Regards,
    Nick

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